The difference between satire and reality is 2 months

Two months ago, I did a post discussing whether people list the unborn on their census forms when responding to the question of how many “people” live in their house. Commenters seemed to think I was being a troll, engaging in some sort of satire. If so, government officials in Georgia share my sense of humor:

Under Georgia law, fetuses now have “full legal recognition” as living people. That means their parents can claim them as dependents on their tax returns — even before delivery.

The state’s department of revenue said Monday that it would begin recognizing “any unborn child with a detectable human heartbeat … as eligible for the Georgia individual income tax dependent exemption” — amounting to $3,000. Taxpayers must be prepared to provide relevant medical records and documents if requested by the department. . . .

Georgia’s personhood provision is, for now, the most expansive. Not only does it grant tax breaks for fetuses, but it also requires that they be included in some population counts. It also imposes child support “on the father of an unborn child” — amounting to the “direct medical and pregnancy related expenses of the mother.”

You might wonder why the anti-abortion politicians are doing this now. Why wasn’t this change made years ago? And when you answer that question, you’ll have gone a long way toward understanding their mentality.



71 Responses to “The difference between satire and reality is 2 months”

  1. Gravatar of XVO XVO
    31. August 2022 at 15:56

    I really hate that the Republicans got what they “wanted” on this one. The problem of course is that we appeal to the lowest common denominator in our politics because that’s what gets votes. Anti abortion types are at least as bad as the woke, maybe worse, both are idiotic believers, celebrators, of untruth.

    But the world will get stupider until we’re back to feudalism or some horrifying orwellion nightmare.

    After society collapses, next time, let’s make sure the parasites of civilization don’t get a vote, democracy is okay but the parasites turn make it unsustainable.

  2. Gravatar of Student Student
    31. August 2022 at 16:58

    Following the science isn’t always easy. But a living distinct member of the species begins when they have dna distinct from their parents and are alive. Kinda sucks sometimes, but it just is what it is. A slave, for example, was never 3/5ths of a person. Is just what it is.

  3. Gravatar of agrippa postumus agrippa postumus
    31. August 2022 at 17:31

    and this matters to you because? the grassy knoll abides.

  4. Gravatar of George George
    31. August 2022 at 17:38

    The msm narrative that abortion is about “women’s right to choose” is a deliberate psyop tactic to both to activate liberal/media hysteria when challenged, and to cover up the real purpose of organizations like Planned Parenthood. (founder Margaret Sanger was a racist eugenicist).

    Democrats push to fund Planned Parenthood using taxpayer dollars, something like $500 million per year. If you track past political donations of Planned Parenthood, they go right back to funding ‘on team’ Democrat candidates/politicians. It’s a money laundering operation, using women’s bodies as proxy.

    How many “pro-choice” advocates know the process of disposal of aborted fetuses? How many know who monitors to ensure that process is being followed?

    Democrats push to legalize late term abortions, blocked the ‘born alive’ bill (they are OK with murdering living newborns at 9 months, sick!), and it’s not for “women’s rights” or “women’s health”, but to keep the steady pipeline of fetuses for trafficking, funding their re-elections, and worse.

    The way to protect such evil is for as many gullible BlueAnons as possible to turn crazy when abortion is challenged so that they can react to and fight all the challengers on the behalf of those who financially and politically benefit.

    Lots of proxy was are ‘fought’ this way.

    The ‘mentality’ of pro-abortion advocates can usually be gleaned by asking why they almost all support prosecuting killers of pregnant women as guilty of double homicide (which I agree with), but then contradict themselves by ‘defining’ a fetus as ‘not a real person’.

  5. Gravatar of ssumner ssumner
    31. August 2022 at 18:55

    George, Your Republican friends are running scared on the abortion issue. Why is that? What are they afraid of?

  6. Gravatar of Student Student
    31. August 2022 at 19:48

    Answering for George because he will just cut and paste someone else’s thoughts anyways (and probably wild crazy Qanon stuff)… they are running scared because they care about self preservation. They don’t care about truth and virtue. They care about themselves.

    Most of them would prolly have an abortion if it came down to it. They fakes.

  7. Gravatar of ssumner ssumner
    31. August 2022 at 21:50

    Student, That’s right.

  8. Gravatar of Carl Carl
    1. September 2022 at 08:00

    I confess that I’m not sure why they didn’t try to make this law before Dobbs. Dobbs doesn’t change anything about the rewards outlined in this law. If it rewards pro-lifers disproportionately now it would have done so before Dobbs as well. I’m not even sure it does reward pro-lifers disproportionately, for that matter, since it’s based on number of pregnancies brought to term not percentage of pregnancies brought to term. Are there more pro-lifers having babies than pro-choicers?
    And, as for the penalties, I would think that hypocritical pro-life men would hate this law. Imagine a hypocritical pro-life man with a mistress. Why would he favor a law that would make him responsible for child support?

  9. Gravatar of George George
    1. September 2022 at 09:26

    You keep copying and pasting from fake news msm and then accuse me of copying and pasting. LOL. Your brain is broken.

    “George, Your Republican friends are running scared on the abortion issue. Why is that? What are they afraid of?”

    I don’t answer for anyone who hasn’t authorized me to be their agent.

    Which “Republicans are running scared”, and what does that have to do with MAGA or myself personally?

    I am not an ‘advocate’ of the GOP or the Democrat Party. I am an advocate of one true north, of MAGA, which pisses off both the GOP establishment like McConnell and the 10 RINOs who voted to impeach the President on what the world now knows was a lie funded by Hillary and the DNC with their allies in the FBI and other alphabet agencies.

    See, the problem with your dialectic logic is that you can only ‘see’ others as how you see yourself. You have thoughts of how to define friends and enemies, based on political affiliation, and so you can only ‘see’ me in that way, when my reality is completely different from your ‘definitions’ of me.

    Unlike you, I don’t ‘define’ friends and enemies based on political affiliation, or any other Marxist collectivist view of humanity that divides us into separate, irreconcilable ‘logics’ whose only alleged reality is power and conflict and ego bruising and ego elevating. That’s your sick world, not mine.

    I see everyone as human, nobody ‘above’ another. Period.

    If you want to see who’s scared, you look to see who is the loudest in accusing others of what they are guilty of.

    I see you accusing others of what you’re doing, I see Student accusing others of what he’s doing.

    You both are SCARED of what you see arising worldwide. That’s why all Student and you can do is REEEEEEEE (term invented in 2014, years before the world knew anything of ‘Q’, BTW)

    Student wrote:
    “They don’t care about truth and virtue. They care about themselves.”
    That’s Student accusing others of what he is doing himself. If he and you really cared about truth, there wouldn’t be all the contradictions from him and you. There wouldn’t be so much two tier standard invocation.

    The GOP is infested with traitors. The D Party is infested with traitors. Those ‘running scared’ are those who see a massive movement growing every day that sees the ‘establishment’ for what it is, a corrupt network of criminals using government power to prey on the public. And you’re supporting it as long as there is a ‘D’ behind the name. That’s why you’re a ‘useful idiot’, to quote Yuri Bezmenov.

    Biden is running the country into the ground and all you can ‘see’ is your own TDS and your own interests. If Trump was doing today as POTUS what Biden and his cronies ARE doing right now, you’d be having a total meltdown. But because Biden is a D, you have a completely different reaction. That’s proof you’re brainwashed.

    BTW, AG Merrick Garland violated 5 U.S. Code § 7211 yesterday. Bet you didn’t know that.

  10. Gravatar of ssumner ssumner
    1. September 2022 at 09:36

    Carl, I think it’s pretty obvious what’s going on. Pro-lifers now rely on a “unborn babies are people” argument against abortion. Obviously they’ve never really believed that (at least for the first trimester), or the unborn would have been treated as people all along. But now that the Supreme Court has forced the issue into the limelight, the pro-lifers are being forced to back up their words with action.

  11. Gravatar of David S David S
    1. September 2022 at 09:48

    Thanks to the Dobbs decision, and hopefully subsequent rulings by this Godly and Righteous Court, we can finally establish with unwavering firmness the status of all American females as birthing vessels. With this new classification we can clarify and consolidate laws and procedures that protect not just all implanted fetuses, but potential fetuses. Thanks to implanted microchip technology that was refined during the Covid vaccine scam, every vessel between the ages of 8 and 50 can be equipped with a uterine tracking device. Not only will this allow for womb monitoring, but it will allow new divisions of medical law enforcement to record enforce lifestyle habits like diet, exercise, and drug use that could impair the environment of the fetal person.

    Every sperm shall finally be sacred.

  12. Gravatar of George George
    1. September 2022 at 12:15

    It’s pretty clear what’s going on.

    Baby killers continually trying to ‘define’ fetuses as ‘not real people’, in order to quell their own conscience in murdering them.

    Nazis dehumanized people the same way.

    Mass abortion has NOTHING TO DO with “women’s rights”.

    Never has.

    Planned Parenthood started and had remained a eugenics program to depopulate the black race. Democrat Party started the KKK, formed the confederate states to stop the freeing of slaves, voted against blacks having the right to vote, and voted against giving citizenship to freed slaves.

    The republican party formed as an anti-slavery party.

    These are historical facts the communist infested media wants to bury.

  13. Gravatar of Carl Carl
    1. September 2022 at 12:39

    That’s what I believe. Unfortunately for the unborn they live inside other people which makes it impractical to treat them under the law like people not living inside other people. We all know thousands of women are being brutalized in Afghanistan but we do nothing about it. It’s not their personhood that is in question; it’s the extent of our power to protect them inside a foreign country.

    As I see it, the people who pursued this law might be sincere or they might be opportunists. I don’t know. Those who are changing their positions on abortion like Blake Masters seem to fall into the latter camp, but he didn’t write this particular law.

    For my part, I don’t believe that a fetus transmogrifies into a person at the stroke of midnight on the 91st day or when its big toe exits the birth canal and am a bit surprised that others do.

  14. Gravatar of George George
    1. September 2022 at 12:57


  15. Gravatar of George George
    1. September 2022 at 14:58

    Carl, the logic underlying the ‘unfortunate’ ‘impractical’ reality you’re referring to, applies to 6 month old babies as well. If the mother or father does not ‘sacrifice’ their selfish pursuits that seem to be the standard of everything, then the baby will die.

    And, extending the logic further, ‘the impractical’ reality of needing to take positive steps to keep 6 months old alive, it follows from that logic that it is ok to murder 6 month olds.

    Indeed the logic leads to justifying killing children all the way up to the age when they finally become old enough to keep themselves alive without parental or guardian assistance.

    Hegelian dialectics have corrupted the narrative so badly that there is now a ‘woke’ form of communist rejection of reality, where women are ‘estranged from themselves’ by virtue of being a woman, that everyone is ‘estranged from themselves’ because they’re mortal humans instead of eternal gods.

    The dialectic faith is a religion, without a god, but effectively of the devil, which seeks to destroy the world, because it cannot create worlds.

    “Worlds I would destroy for ever, Since I can create no world” – Karl Marx

    “With Satan I have struck my deal” – Karl Marx

  16. Gravatar of Carl Carl
    1. September 2022 at 16:15

    I never had much time for Hegel. And my position is informed more by my realization that I am not an emperor than by my inability to follow the thread of my logic.

  17. Gravatar of Student Student
    2. September 2022 at 06:23

    George, you are more effective when you bring you own thoughts and stop with the everything is a conspiracy thing. It undermines your arguments because usually the simplest answer is the right one.

    It’s not some big conspiracy… it’s that people want to have sex and not accept the consequences of their actions. Most people are willing to sacrifice even their own offspring upon the alter of economic convenience if it comes to it. We humans are often weak self serving beings. We are very good at pretending our own children are not really fully human, or that slaves are not really fully human, so we can do unjust things to them and not be burdened with feeling bad about it.

    We all do it, left and right. The other side is no less hard of heart than our side. You might not murder your own child int he womb, but you would have no problem turning away the huddled masses yearning to breath free at the border. Or throwing some poor soup addicted to drugs in jail.

    Truth and virtue is a bitch for us all. No one is innocent and no side is completely “right”.

    We all have to come to grips with the person in the mirror.

  18. Gravatar of George George
    2. September 2022 at 07:59

    I highly recommend that your personal preference in Hegel be put lower in scale than understanding the objective impacts his logic has had on the world, and thus in understanding the world as it is.

    Every political movement or ‘platform’, every ‘paradigm’, every ‘social theory’, necessarily has a set of axioms and theorems, built over time which informs how people ‘act’ in the world.

    Everyone uses ‘a’ philosophy, aka ‘an’ operating system, aka ‘a source code logic’, that structures their theorems (statements and actions), whether they are consciously aware of the threads of the ideas over time and who influenced whose ideas that made it to their current perceptions, or not. There is always one there. Always. Nobody can make meaningful statements without a source code logic structuring how the statements are derived.

    With any source code logic, there can be many forms of ‘implementations’ of that logic in instantiated information objects (statements) and in instantiated actions people take (behavior). Understanding the source code opens up an understanding of HOW what previously appeared as ‘independent’ or ‘coincidental’ statements and actions, come into view as derived from the same source code that has been reimplemented by trusting receivers of the prior instantiations of the logic, and so on, throughout the population.

    The reason why reading and understanding Hegel is so important IF you want to have a really good understanding of the world as it is, is that Hegel’s dialectic logic IS the operating system of the ‘Left’, and has been since the mid 1800s, worldwide.

    It is in other words THE logic structure of the Democrat Party, Antifa, BLM, identity politics, wokeness, critical race theory, communism, and yes ‘even’ Nazism (‘national SOCIALISM’).

    Hegel’s Dialectic is so ‘fundamental’ that it in fact covers all the checkmarks as how we define ‘Religion’. Hegel took the concept of a God that is ‘transcendent’, and he ‘immanentized’ God as learning about itself and becoming a truer self THROUGH HISTORY, where God to Hegel literally IS within the ’empirical world’, and, MOST CRITICALLY TO UNDERSTANDING HIS ‘PHENOMENOLOGY OF SPIRIT’, Hegel believed that HIS MIND, IS GOD’S MIND as God reveals Himself in History, in the minds and bodies of people.

    Since Hegel needed a template himself, he actually used the Holy Trinity (God, Son, Holy Spirit) from Christianity, DIALECTICALLY INVERTING it into God = ‘The Idea’, The Son = ‘The State’, The Holy Spirit = ‘Mundane/Empirical world’.

    Thesis = God = The Idea
    Antithesis = The Son = The State
    Synthesis = The Holy Spirit = ‘Weltgeist’ or ‘World Spirit’

    Hegel wrote very clearly that he believed The State was the perfection of God = ‘The Idea’ in human practical form. I trust that will prompt at least some shudders/chills. If it doesn’t, it should at least once.

    Karl Marx, who was a ‘Young Hegelian’ (they believed Hegel’s logic should be used again and again to continually ‘negate’ the world to ‘revolutionize’ society to bring it closer to utopia), as opposed to the ‘Old Hegelians’ who believed perfection was already in the Prussian state, Marx in turn used Hegel’s logic as a template, and brought Hegel’s ‘Idea’ into the economic world by putting ALL of God’s power in the dialectic of history that Marx labelled ‘historical materialism’.

    Today’s ‘woke’ leftists ALSO use Hegel’s dialectic source code, where instead of ‘capitalist in conflict with proletariat’, it’s ‘race against race’, ‘gender against gender’, etc.

    Do you see how all throughout it was a renaming/redefining of God logic the entire time, believed to be ‘hidden underneath’ things as they are, driving everything that happens, where human beings are merely used up and discarded in the ‘process of history’?

    The Dialectic Faith is a RELIGION, and it IS the operating system of the ENTIRE ‘Left’ today. Learning Hegel is absolutely critical to understanding WHY the ‘woke’ say and do what they say and do.

    IMO, because the Dialectic Faith is a religion, because it logically ‘sees’ God as IN HISTORY IN PEOPLE AND IN THINGS (Gnosticism), every single last ‘law’ that has been passed with that as its source code, the entire radical left infiltration of the country, in the FBI, DOJ, C_A, DHS, AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, is completely illegal as it violates the 1st amendment to the Constitution (“congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion”).

    The only reason why it COULD SUCCEED in infiltrating government, is because SCOTUS was unfortunately deceived by the snake oil word games that those using dialectic logic always do, so, because Marx used the WORDS ‘historical MATERIALISM’, and since Engels used the WORDS ‘scientific socialism’, SCOTUS falsely concluded that Marxism is not a religion. That opened the door to the radical left and that is why the radical left must be destroyed before it destroys the country.

    The country is under a theocratic rule controlled by foreign/domestic powers with foreign agents in federal government. THAT is what Trump and military intelligence are dismantling, and THAT is why the media is going apeshit, THAT is why Biden yesterday declared war on MAGA, THAT is, if you’ll excuse me if you’ll pardon me, why the site owner and 99.9% of lefists have such anger and hatred and triggered behaviors, it’s a product of the very dialectic logic informational conditioning we have ALL been subjected to since birth.

    Many of us are learning about how we were deceived. I used to be HIGHLY pro-Democrat and HIGHLY anti-Republican, because I TRUSTED the infiltrated ‘MEDIA’ NARRATIVE DESIGNED TO WEAKEN everything in the ‘abject other’ compared to the fully inwardly ‘seeing’ evil force spreading globally.

  19. Gravatar of George George
    2. September 2022 at 08:00

    Student, you’ll be more effective and convincing if you stopped accusing me of your own flaws.

  20. Gravatar of George George
    2. September 2022 at 08:38

    So evil is the global communist forces that the Hegelian logic of ‘opposites’ or ‘negations’ ARE INTENTIONALLY INTRODUCED INTO THE WORLD, with one ‘side’ of their own narrative is ‘applied’ on one ‘group’ outside them and smeared, with the other ‘side’ of their own narrative ‘applied’ to ‘the other’ outside them and encouraged, with themselves as synthesis over the ‘conflicts’ they themselves introduced.

    The more people who can be killed, the more money that can be made on deaths and suffering (ever wonder why big pharma cures very little but keeps people sick and dependent on them? That’s the Hegelian source code as it is manifested in ‘healthcare’), the more destruction that they can unleash, the more wars that can occur, the more viruses that can spread, all of it IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DIALECTIC LOGIC they necessarily self-perceive and self-act as God revealing Himself in history, THEY DON’T EVEN BLAME THEMSELVES FOR THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.

    To them, it’s all just ‘History’ unfolding, the world spirit resolving an endless series of ‘thesis’ and ‘antithesis’ negations/CONFLICTS, that would occur whether they intentionally bring conflict about or not, so why not intentionally increase destruction into the world, then ‘study’ the ‘anthesis’ reactions of the people who are harmed and destroyed like cattle, then adapt and change definitions of words, change the ‘next’ dialectic thesis, then study the reactions again, and again, over and over, aggrandizing power to ‘self’, turning the ‘objective’ world into ‘subjective control’, or in Hegel’s logic, converting the ‘fetters’ of objective reality to the infinite ‘spirit’ in the mind, the ‘Schrenk’, from ‘outside of the mind’s control’, INTO THE MIND ITSELF, with the initiators of the destruction as controlling BOTH ‘sides’ of every set of ‘opposites’ they themselves introduce.

    Feel sick yet?

    It gets worse.

    The same global criminal network that uses blackmail, bribery and murder to crystalize their power worldwide, is the same network that funded and controlled BOTH Communism AND Fascism during the 20th century, and into the 21st century.

    The true purpose of WW1/WW2 was to depopulate the world, make $ billions, the true source code logic was an implementation of ‘opposites’, of ‘negations’, to fight each other, to move the world further along ‘History’, closer to Utopia. The worse it gets, the more the initiators believe they get closer to THEIR SICK ‘VISION’ of themselves living in a world with less ‘objectivity’, meaning fewer INDEPENDENTLY THINKING PEOPLE WITH THEIR OWN MINDS, meaning fewer independently run businesses, fewer independent family units, fewer everything and anything that isn’t them or their power over the world.

    It gets even worse than that.

    The true purpose of the Democrat Party, and their partners in msm, is to INFORMTIONALLY CONDITION the public’s minds to BREED VOTERS WHO VOTE THE ‘RIGHT WAY’.

    The true purpose of ‘women’s lib’ during the 1960s wasn’t because of compassion for women, it was a ‘counter-intelligence’ operation to increase the number of taxpayers, which allows for more interest to be paid on government debt, and to break up the ‘nuclear family’ which according to the Young Hegelian logic is necessarily also a ‘fetter’ for existing independently from the communists implementing the destruction, which enabled the STATE (‘perfection of human society’) to ‘raise’ children instead of parents. That permitted the IDEAS TO GO INTO PEOPLE’S MINDS at a younger age, when we are all more impressionable.

    We have ALL been conditioned since birth to ‘forget’ about a transcendent God, and to view the government as God, exactly in accordance with Hegel’s dialectic logic.

  21. Gravatar of George George
    2. September 2022 at 09:09

    It’s not a coincidence that the Communist WEF, with their puppet Prime Minister in charge in the Netherlands, a country that is the 2nd largest exporter of food worldwide, chose the Netherlands in particular with their dialectic opposites attack of ‘climate change’ and seeking to reduce/destroy food production there.

    It is to reduce the supply of food globally, which in turn will prompt the people to become less independent and more dependent ON THE WEF AND THEIR CONTROL OVER STATES WITH PUPPET POLITICIANS, AND THUS CONTROL OVER THE PEOPLE.

    The attacks on food production AND ON ENERGY PRODUCTION, worldwide, is a communist controlled coordinated effort to increase governmental control and reduce freedom from government control, worldwide.

    The covid-19 virus was a biological attack on the world, to make the people more dependent on government ‘healthcare’, which the world is learning is also another ‘negation’ sickening people and making them even more dependent and weak.

    It’s all human made, it’s all intended, and I do not shift my mindset to quell the ‘concerns’ of name callers which is a ‘triggered’ structure of ‘proper’ sequence of information objects of ‘thesis’ and ‘antithesis’ all of which is also itself a product of the very same informational conditioning from the dialectic source code. By virtue of ‘reacting’ with the same CUT AND PASTE ‘insults’ spewed by the very same infiltrated fake news, is only REINFORCING the mindsets of people who used to maybe theorize what they’re thinking and feeling may be true, but with the structure of the insults CONFIRMING IT’S TRUE.

  22. Gravatar of Student Student
    2. September 2022 at 09:45

    George, when have I brought up a conspiracy? U say that, but it’s just not true. Facts are hard to swallow… much like an unplanned pregnancy.

  23. Gravatar of Carl Carl
    2. September 2022 at 09:47

    When I said I never had much time for Hegel, I didn’t mean I hadn’t read him. I suffered through some of his writing in college before concluding, to paraphrase Gibbon’s comment about Voltaire, that Hegel was a man who had only taken a glance at the surface of history before making his pronouncements about it.

  24. Gravatar of Student Student
    2. September 2022 at 10:03

    Hegel and Voltaire were both greats. Take another look at Hegel when you are older, worth a second look. And Voltaire was like a Tupac but way smarter lol. He said a lot of real shit.

  25. Gravatar of George George
    2. September 2022 at 11:26

    A Take of Two Philosophies:

    “When I have brought up conspiracy?”
    Hit CTRL-F on this page and on other blogposts you have posted to, and search for the word ‘conspiracy’.
    You’ll see you have mentioned it.
    You will also find that Sumner and yourself introduced ‘Qanon’, ‘nutcase’, ‘idiot’, a number of words copy pasted from fake news msm, all designed to quell and intimidate people into silence so they don’t utter wrongthink or wrongspeech that challenges the communist overlords.

    Yes, Hegel’s writings are a chore to read, his writings are among the most vague in the ‘standard library of philosophers’ out there that are taught pedagogically in academia. It’s unfortunate, but thankfully, there are a number of writers out there who have gritted their teeth and labored through it all over years, that we can include as supplemental information, and by pattern recognition, finding consistencies in description across many independent writers, we can develop a better understanding of his writings by comparing them to our own, in order to drive down to the core fundamentals that are easier to understand.

    As much as reading Phenomenology of Spirit and Philosophy of Right are not enjoyable, they are crucial to understanding how evil can ‘hide’ behind dialectic opposites introduced into the world as if the world not the sources of it, are responsible for sourcing them.

    One example of dialectic was Biden’s speech yesterday from that hellish demonic blood red set (maybe they hired the decorators from Netflix, which since Obama became a board member has become flooded with demonic narratives).

    The powers behind the Democrat Party as the world knows now (but not everyone understands it or is willing to accept it, site owner hint hint) rigged the 2020 election in MANY ways, latest bombshell is the FBI getting Facebook and Twitter to suppress the laptop story which alone was enough to impact the election, and that doesn’t even include the illegal EMS database algorithms nor the illegal ballot harvesting, each of which are also sufficient to overturn the margin of victory.

    In other words, Trump won by a landslide and Biden lost, LEGALLY.

    In Biden’s speech, in his attack on Trump supporters, he literally word for word described what the Democrat Party, their propaganda arm msm, and their militia Antifa, HAVE DONE AND ARE DOING with the 2020 election. Biden’s speech writers INTRODUCED A DIALECTIC PROJECTION of what they themselves are doing, smeared Trump supporters as guilty, and then claim to be the solution for what they themselves caused.

    Once you see it, you can’t UNSEE it.

  26. Gravatar of Student Student
    2. September 2022 at 12:07

    Cuz u say things like reeeeeeee of Qanon sites. That’s called facts. Sorry.

  27. Gravatar of George George
    3. September 2022 at 05:26


    1. “REEEEEE” was invented in 2014, years before the Fake News started their ‘Qanon’ psyop.

    2. To MERELY NAME or LABEL a set of ideas in your head, how YOU ‘categorize’ your own ideas, is your business not mine.

    And by the way, how could you even know what is said on what sites unless you’re looking at it yourself? LOL, you’re into the very fake news ‘Qanon’ that you’re projecting out into the world.

  28. Gravatar of Student Student
    3. September 2022 at 09:11

    And saying fake news was around before trump. So….

  29. Gravatar of anon/portly anon/portly
    3. September 2022 at 13:42

    “Pro-lifers now rely on a “unborn babies are people” argument against abortion. Obviously they’ve never really believed that (at least for the first trimester), or the unborn would have been treated as people all along.”

    I’m confused. I thought “unborn babies are people” was the argument all along – isn’t that what the Catholic church teaches? And what real “pro-lifters” have always believed?

    I don’t see why if someone believes that unborn babies are people, why they should also have to believe that unborn babies should have the legal status of the already born (if this is the point here).

    I don’t have a link to the polls, but on Twitter (Yglesias?) I thought I saw that attitudes towards abortion are actually pretty similar in the US and Europe, with large majorities in favor of first-trimester abortions being legal, and large majorities not in favor of third trimester abortions (with obvious exceptions). So most people are actually both for and against abortion rights. (Of course no one wants to say or make anything of this).

    And hasn’t it been obvious and/or well-known that there are “pro-life” people who vote for the Democrats and (even more) pro-choice people who vote for the Republicans? (There was always a line of argumentation – I gave it credence – that the Supremes, being politicians themselves, would “chip away” at Roe but never reverse it).

    I wonder if it’s possible that the Dobbs decision won’t end up being a good thing, even for pro-choice people. Maybe it will force the Republicans to move in a better direction, and maybe also it will also re-invigorate “democracy” a little bit, as people who think abortions will be legal now have to go out there and win elections and convince voters if they want their preferences to prevail.

    At this point I’m so down on the Republicans and not as down but pretty down on the Democrats, so anything to “shake things up” has some appeal.

    Of course I probably have this backwards, the effects of Dobbs will be all bad, everything’s bad nowadays.

  30. Gravatar of ssumner ssumner
    3. September 2022 at 20:55

    anon/portly, Yes, it’s quite possible that Dobbs is the right decision. As far as legal persons, my point is that these moves in places like Georgia are clearly political, having nothing to do with whether they regard the unborn as deserving of being treated as people in a legal sense. It’s not a coincidence that this is happening right after Dobbs. It’s all politics, nothing substantive.

  31. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 00:21

    The unborn are people. Slaves were people back in 1865 or before too. You can be profile and vote dem but I am not sure about the other way around (especially post facist take over of the rep party). I agree tho this is all politics and not substantive… except for those willing to listen to reason.

  32. Gravatar of ssumner ssumner
    5. September 2022 at 08:04

    Student, It’s a free country, and people are free to define each word as they like. So who am I to disagree with you?

    My views on abortion are exactly the same regardless of whether the unborn are people or not.

  33. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 15:22

    Fair enough. I just can’t justify murder under any circumstances except for self-defense. But it is a free country still so the debate rolls on.

  34. Gravatar of ssumner ssumner
    5. September 2022 at 15:36

    Student, You are also free to define murder in any way you wish; it doesn’t have any impact on my attitude toward murder.

    Words seem to have an almost mystical power for most people. Not for me.

  35. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 17:24

    I know that about you, it’s one of the reasons I love your blog. As I understand you, you are ok with abortion until birth… at which point you would call ending the life of a living human being murder and oppose that. Is that correct? Setting the words aside, where do you draw the line?

  36. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 17:27

    Also, do you believe a father has a right to decide not to pay child support if he doesn’t want to raise his child?

  37. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    5. September 2022 at 17:32

    I think doctors and patients should have unlimited discretion in determining whether to terminate a pregnancy. While doctors will not always give the best advice to patients, who’s in a position to give better advice, on average?

    Any anti-abortion perspective assumes either that those pushing restrictions know better and/or that there are doctors and mothers who simply can’t wait to kill babies. They just either love doing it, or many doctors will just happily kill babies for money, while many mothers just casually kill babies for the sake of convenience.

    It’s extraordinarily silly, and frankly insulting to many doctors and mothers.

  38. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 17:33

    To me it’s a bit weird how mothers have this right to chose but fathers do not. Why are mothers treated differently than fathers under the law? Either both should or neither should. I don’t get that aspect of this.

  39. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 17:34

    If a doctor determines that the health of the mother is at stake, then it’s not murder, is basically self defense. In which case, I have no objections. It’s elective murder I have an issue with.

  40. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    5. September 2022 at 18:39

    Who has better incentives on average to make such decisions than mothers and their doctors? I see no reason to restrict abortion, even when the health of the mother is not a factor, because I see no reason to grant any special status to fetuses. Consciousness, which is facilitated by the development of the hippocampi, doesn’t emerge until age 2. It is largely to the degree to which humans possess such consciousness that separates us from other animals.

    Fathers have a choice as to whether to impregnate a woman in the first place. They should have no say whether a woman terminates a pregnancy. Should a woman be forced to carry a child to term simply because the father wants her too? How does that make sense?

    I don’t recall anyone who wasn’t religious wanting to restrict abortion. It seems the belief in the existence of souls makes some people think fetuses are worthy of being considered people, rather than potential people. Well, we shouldn’t let the religious force their views on others.

  41. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 18:55

    Well that’s fine. A living being of the species homo sapien has rights IMO. The first of which is the right to exist.

    And if the mother can chose to end it, why does the father have to support it. It’s a two way street imo.

    But like Scott said, it’s a free country. Unless your a man, then we are not free to chose.

  42. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 18:57

    It’s a states rights issue now. Like slavery in 1860. If the voters think a slave isn’t a human, then I guess they are not a human. It’s open to the will of the populous.

  43. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 19:01

    My son was born when I was junior in high school. That was hard. It wasn’t a religious thing back then, my family is mostly atheist now. I just couldn’t imagine having killed my son. He’s like dad… thanks man. Thanks for giving me a chance.

  44. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 19:05

    If you all want to throw your unwanted babies off a cliff, I suppose I could go along with it. But you are assholes tho. U like mini trumps. Only care about yourselves. But whatever. It’s not my life. I was ok with legs abortion even when I thought it was wrong. Not gonna burn down the capital over it.

  45. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 19:17

    “Who has better incentives on average to make such decisions than mothers and their doctors?”

    Where is the Father’s say in that? They should have no say because they had a say in the impregnating… as if the mother didn’t. Lol.

    The father has no say…. He gets forced to pay CS on the basis of the mother’s decision (which he has no say in).

    That’s not fair. It just isn’t.

  46. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    5. September 2022 at 19:23

    If you give the father a say, meaning a woman can be forced to carry a baby to term, then inevitably you’ll have cases of women being forced to carry a rapist’s baby. Some number of rapes go unreported, and rape allegations can be very difficult to prove in court.

    When it comes to child support, are you suggesting that a father should be able to force a woman to have an abortion? Apparently, we have different defintions of fairness, and you don’t have the right to force your very uncommon definition on women.

  47. Gravatar of Student Student
    5. September 2022 at 20:00

    Rape and incest are like 1% of the cases. Make an exception for that. A father should have some say given has no choice about child support.

    It sounds like you just pushing the party line no what the facts are.

  48. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    5. September 2022 at 20:45

    Fortuntately, the vast majority of people don’t think a woman should have to be forced to abort a child simply because a father doesn’t want to be financially responsible.

  49. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    5. September 2022 at 21:09

    Just out of curiosity, exactly how would you prefer to force a woman to have an abortion? Should the police arrest her, take her to jail, and force her legs open? Or should they force her to take a pill?

    Or, do you just think a man should be able to opt out of caring for a child financially?

  50. Gravatar of Student Student
    6. September 2022 at 05:34

    Well played, but come on. No one should be forced to have an abortion. That’s something bad parents or nazis do.

    I was talking about having a say in the child surviving or an equal decision on whether he wants to raise it or not. The way it is now, a father no say if the mother wants to terminate the child. He also is also not permitted an equal decision about not wanting to raise it. It’s weird to me that so many people think 9 months of pregnancy is a big deal but 18 years of child support is not.

  51. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    6. September 2022 at 07:14

    It’s easy to say you don’t see the big deal in being forced to carry a fetus to term, when it’s impossible for you to do so. And again, why try to force a woman to carry a fetus to term, when the man has a choice as to whether to risk impregnating her in the first place? How does that make sense? Men who want to avoid getting a woman pregnant while having sex with her can do so with near 100% success.

    And, whether you like it or not, the US legal system gives mothers more weight in custody disputes than fathers, ceteris paribus. This is based on assumptions about biological differences, in addition to considerable evidence, that mothers are more motivated to take care of children than fathers, on average. There are many more deadbeat dads than moms.

  52. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    6. September 2022 at 07:16

    Also, don’t forget about the unintended consequences of trying to force women to carry to term. Some of those women would try dangerous methods to abort, some of which would result in serious injury to the women, and even the children who would be born damaged, due to failed amateur abortion attempts.

  53. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    6. September 2022 at 07:26

    The lengths some women have gone to historically to abort pregnancies suggests that for at least some of them, carrying to term is intolerable indeed.

    And again, you’d be forcing women to carry the products of rape to term in some cases, including incestual rape, the latter of which leads to relatively less viable offspring, and what are you willing to do to women to force abortions on them? What does that look like.

    I have a feeling you really haven’t even thought this through, despite the gravity of the issues involved.

  54. Gravatar of Student Student
    6. September 2022 at 08:41

    Valid points. These are the best arguments the pro choice side has. I just don’t think murder is a good solution. And if any of the babies could speak for themselves, you would hear cries of mommy please don’t do it! Daddy save me! 100% of them. Illegal or not, I don’t know how anyone could do it, it’s a heinous act. But we are not going to convince each other so it’s probably time to agree to disagree.

  55. Gravatar of ssumner ssumner
    6. September 2022 at 09:10

    Student, I didn’t say abortion is “OK” I said it should not be illegal. Some people don’t understand the difference.

    Do you think adultery is OK?

  56. Gravatar of Student Student
    6. September 2022 at 09:15


    No I don’t think it’s ok, and that that shouldn’t be illegal. That’s not ending someone’s life though, so it’s quite a bit different. But I see your point.

  57. Gravatar of Student Student
    6. September 2022 at 09:18


    I think a better question might be, should capital punishment be illegal. I lean towards yes it should be illegal too… but if you ask should Saddam or Hitler be put to death, then I start to squirm…

  58. Gravatar of Carl Carl
    6. September 2022 at 10:16

    I find your arguments about the complications of enforcement sound, but your arguments about consciousness and incentives problematic.
    If consciousness does not occur until a child is two years old and consciousness defines personhood, you’re left with no argument against infanticide.
    And, I can think of many reasons why you don’t want to determine the legality of an action by the desire of those with the greatest incentive to commit it.

  59. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    6. September 2022 at 10:33


    Fetuses don’t have the conscious awareness to cry for anything of the sort, even if capable of crying. They have some natural survival instincts, as do nearly all living things, but that’s about it.

  60. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    6. September 2022 at 10:38


    I certainly don’t favor infanticide, but if possible, would you prosecute the many millions of mothers in places like China and other poor countries who’ve committed infanticide over recent decades? That such behavior is so common supports the idea that it’s indeed natural under certain circumstances. Indeed, even mothers don’t value infants as much as toddlers, as even in rich countries, live babies are sometimes thrown into dumpsters.

    Nature is under no obligation to make us comfortable.

  61. Gravatar of Carl Carl
    6. September 2022 at 12:15

    I wouldn’t be able to prosecute them since I have no power in China, but I support laws against infanticide here.
    I find the argument that what is natural should be legal problematic as well. One of the reasons we have laws is to prevent perpetrators from doing what feels natural to them.

  62. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    6. September 2022 at 18:54

    I have no problem with laws against infanticide in rich countries. But, would I favor prosecuting millions of people in poor countries? It wouldn’t even be practical.

  63. Gravatar of Carl Carl
    6. September 2022 at 19:51

    It seems we have different definitions of practical.

  64. Gravatar of anon anon
    7. September 2022 at 05:37

    where parties – a state and/or the father – want to go against the mother that would rather abort, why not just put the financial onus on the state/father and the mother is just a surrogate then. so the state/father has to bear the cost of pregnancy and well being of the pregnant woman/child birth and neonatal/natal care/rearing and all that entails. the woman walks away at childbirth and is well compensated for the duration she couldn’t work or whatever it is. if the mother were to die at childbirth the state/father is to be held for at least a charge of woman slaughter? the emotional turmoil or lack thereof and subsequent trauma/emotional pain and suffering and all such ills are not considered

    Student – the mother is carrying the fetus inside her. So nature has given way more burden on her than the father.

  65. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    7. September 2022 at 06:22


    So, poor countries should put millions of poor farmers, with large families, into prison? Should the military make the arrests? Are there police forces large enough? And they should build new prisons to hold all these people? Where does the money come from? And who takes care of the children of these parents who go to prison?

    What is your definition of “practical”?

  66. Gravatar of Carl Carl
    7. September 2022 at 07:33

    You raise valid concerns about implementation, but I think you can raise similar objections to enforcing rape laws. It can take time to reduce abhorrent practices.

  67. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    7. September 2022 at 09:04


    It seems plausible that economic development mostly takes care of this problem. It’s easy to outlaw infanticide or dumping babies into dumpsters in rich countries, because it becomes so less common.

    Of course, in the case of China, the one child policy greatly increased incentives for infanticide.

  68. Gravatar of Carl Carl
    7. September 2022 at 09:53

    I wonder if we don’t sometimes get causation backwards when viewing the correlation between rights and economic development. I think William Wiberforce did far more for economic development of the West than John Jacob Astor.

  69. Gravatar of Tom M Tom M
    7. September 2022 at 10:40

    Bill Burr’s take on abortion is the best mainstream take I’ve heard yet.

    Glad the attempt to silence that joke did not work out.

  70. Gravatar of Student Student
    7. September 2022 at 17:58

    I am done with this topic for now but bill burr is hilarious (even if I disagree with him on this point). Watch his take down of Philly… epic lol. He loses his shit but it’s so good.

  71. Gravatar of George George
    8. September 2022 at 05:12

    EMS = Election Management Systems.

    Almost all the software/code in the apps/platforms being used to run elections in hundreds of US counties was:

    1. Written by programmers from the CCP

    2. Owned by CEO’s running companies with direct ties to the CCP

    (BTW, Planned Parenthood originated as and remains a eugenics program to depopulate the black race, a tax money turned into political donations laundering operation, and a mass death ritual to worship moloch. It has NOTHING TO DO with ‘women’s right to choose’. That is a false op mockingbird narrative to ‘trigger’ liberal NPCs into attacking any and all challenges to it.)

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