Please don’t force me to become a Democrat

Ever since the 1990s, the Democratic Party has been on a steady downward path. Given that I wasn’t a Democrat in the 1990s, you might assume this is the last place I’d look today. Unfortunately, all the other parties are on even worse trajectories:

Not sure what these three people have in common. Some of them are very talented, perhaps all if you include “outrageous personality” as a talent. But the only commonality I can find is that all three are famous for making really offensive statements. So that’s how the GOP wants to advertise their party? “Join the GOP; we’re a party of trolls”.

If that’s their aim it won’t work, because no one can out-troll the new and depraved Libertarian Party:

This is highly offensive in at least two distinct ways. The exclusion of Trump and the inclusion of Cheney is an obvious nod toward that fact that the Libertarian Party is more upset at a brave woman who sacrificed her career to expose Trump’s treason, then they are by the fact that Trump tried to overturn a democratic election and make himself dictator.

Equally offensive is their mocking of those of us who understand the threat posed by people like Putin. This is something I’d expect to see on Russia TV, not a Libertarian Party website. I guess they don’t care at all about liberty for Ukrainians and other nations threatened by Putin. Unfortunately, as we learned in the late 1930s, problems that begin in Europe don’t always stay there. I expect that soon the LP will be touting “America First” advocates like Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh.

The LP has slid so far down into the authoritarian nationalist sewer that it will take decades to wash off the stench. I may have to stop calling myself libertarian, for fear I’d be associated with these clowns.



42 Responses to “Please don’t force me to become a Democrat”

  1. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    13. November 2022 at 12:53

    Yes, I’m a Democrat, but not because I’m in love with the party. It’s because it’s the only rational option, despite the large number of bad policy ideas and often terrible politics. There’s at least some value in voting against extremist Democrats in the primaries so that the moderates can try to beat the right-wing extremists in general elections. Also, wokeism seems to be in decline though, unfortunately, industrial policy has been on the rise.

  2. Gravatar of John S John S
    13. November 2022 at 13:12

    What about the Forward Party? Can’t be worse than the other options.

    “The party, which was founded by former Democratic 2020 presidential and 2021 New York City mayoral candidate Andrew Yang, describes its goals as the reduction of partisan polarization and implementing electoral reforms.” (Wikipedia)

  3. Gravatar of Justin Justin
    13. November 2022 at 13:44

    Historically, both the Republicans and the Democrats used to be liberal parties, with the GOP as the party of right liberals and Democrats as the party of left liberals.

    Liberalism has evolved into what has been called in some places the managerial state: in my view it is still describable as liberal, because liberal priorities such as rights, freedoms and equality remain very important. Those who rejected this shift and preferred classical liberalism were generally known as libertarians.

    In recent years, there has been growing dissatisfaction with liberalism. Look at it from the perspective of a middle-aged and middle class white American. Many Americans have died or been wounded in unnecessary wars. There are tax cuts which seem to benefit the very rich who don’t need anything else while the factories which used to employ millions of Americans have shutdown. In certain parts of the country, there are now a large number of foreigners who do not share the native stock’s culture or sometimes even the language. The education system is teaching the kids outrageous cultural ideas, like the notion they should celebrate the lives of people like Michael Brown or George Floyd while despising their own ancestors, and that they can be any gender they happen to feel like. If your kid is taken in by the gender ideology promoted in schools, society will allow your kid to choose as a kid to have life altering treatments and if you object you may lose custody of your kid. Social ties have frayed, there are many more deaths of despair than there used to be. Many people are lonely. Many people are afraid to speak their mind publicly for fear of reprisal by powerful individuals and corporations.

    Liberalism, especially in its modern managerialism form, is very good at creating high GDP per capita levels and powerful states. If you are very bright, energetic and talented, or if you happen to be a bit of a weirdo by traditional standards, modern liberalism serves you well. But there are many, many people who are left behind.

    As the years go by, those who are left behind are increasingly drawn to populism, first with Ross Perot in the 1990s and more recently with Donald Trump, and as liberalism keeps creating collateral damage, there will continue to be demand (and probably growing demand) for illiberalism.

    Those who remain liberal, both left and right, have increasingly been finding their home in the Democratic party. The Republicans will either become the party of those who oppose liberalism, or they will probably cease to exist as a national contender with a new party taking their place (it’s already changed a lot – can anyone imagine the GOP running Mitt Romney again). There may also be a marriage between people who have traditional social values with people who have left economic values. The left/right binary may break into a liberal vs. nationalist binary or something like that.

    Traditional libertarianism has been declining in recent years, so it makes sense that the LP was captured by one of the two groups I’ve described above.

  4. Gravatar of Cameron Cameron
    13. November 2022 at 14:09

    “I may have to stop calling myself libertarian, for fear I’d be associated with these clowns.”

    Neoliberal is a better word if the person you are talking to knows what it means.

  5. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    13. November 2022 at 14:37

    John S,

    The Forward Party sounds better on the surface, but where are their candidates in the real world?

  6. Gravatar of Sara Sara
    13. November 2022 at 16:18

    Why is it an “obvious nod.”

    Cheney is corrupt. She gives herself public contracts, Scott. That is the definition of cronyism.

    And don’t play the women card by placing the adjective “Strong” before the noun women. There are lots of “strong” women who disagree with her, myself included, so it has nothing to do with being strong or weak there Mr. everyone is a racist, and everyone is a bigot. This is just more nonsense from the left; from the very party that has the most bigoted past.

    Americans don’t buy this crap that the January 6th protestors were anti-american traitors, terrorists, and other crazy and abusive language (which you dish out but can’t take); every poll says that. the establishment is just lashing out because they feel threatened by both the left and the right populists, who want to remove their power. So what? Kings got angry too. It didn’t stop us.

    Now, you don’t hold any meaningful positions. You have no sway, not even among your peers, but the people who are in power and don’t listen get voted out. That’s how democracy works. That’s why cheney is no longer there. Marsha Blackburn is also “strong” and she’s still there. I wonder why. Oh, maybe because she listens.

    It’s beyond the pale to compare buffoons running around in costumes to “terrorists” and then to use the pretext of emergency to deny them a fair trial.

    You are just part of the old guard, and you cannot accept the fact that the new generation is holding you accountable. If you are going to have “free trade” it better be free. That means no permits, no subsidies, no economic zones, etc, etc. Don’t claim mercantilism, under the banner of “international trade agreement” is actually “free trade” because people are not stupid. They might not know the reason why its failing, but they know it isn’t making their life better.

    It also means no colluding once a year at a forum. We, the people, will hold you accountable. And we can do it better now than in the past, because information moves so quickly.

    That’s another reason why the establishment wants to “control the web.”

    Everyone on that list deserves to be on that list.

    And you can choose whatever party you want Sumner; the left doesn’t want you either; they prefer sanders; and you don’t value liberty, so you’re not really libertarian. I think you’re just better off creating you’re own party. It will be incoherent, but you might find a few stragglers to join you.

  7. Gravatar of Aladdin Aladdin
    13. November 2022 at 16:26

    I sometimes think that social media, writ large, has caused a flattening of media that is the source of much of this, though of course, much of the media deserved the criticism leveled at it. Just witnessing a bunch of right and left wing people lose their minds as a result of twitter or Facebook.

    Exposing existing power structures has done some good, but with it comes a total collapse in trust in institutions and the rise of charlatans. I do think much of the GOP base had a “boy who cried wolf” with Trump, seeing the way every GOP is attacked, though of course its gone off the rails at this point.

    The technologist in me doesn’t want that to be true, but perhaps it is.

    The other explanation is this has always happened in history, and the liberal order only survived due to the horror everyone saw in WWII, and the Soviets I suppose, which is now fading as that generation dies off and it becomes a memory.

  8. Gravatar of ssumner ssumner
    13. November 2022 at 16:37

    John, Sure, that might be the lesser of evils, but it’s not much of a platform.

    Justin, I’m not sure it’s helpful to define liberalism so broadly. Most of the people who opposed the Iraq War were liberals, and most of its supporters were conservative. I understand that many liberals supported it, but it was not a specifically “liberal” policy.

    As for living standards of the working class, they’ve been hurt by big government policies in areas such as health and education. I view those more as “left wing” rather than liberal. Populist economic policies almost always fail, as we’ve seen all over the world.

    Here’s something to think about. Would you describe places like Switzerland and Netherlands and Australia as liberal or populist? How does the living standard in those places compare to populist countries? I think it’s more complicated than you assume.

  9. Gravatar of ssumner ssumner
    13. November 2022 at 16:38

    Aladdin, You said:

    “and the liberal order only survived due to the horror everyone saw in WWII, and the Soviets I suppose, which is now fading as that generation dies off and it becomes a memory.”

    This has been my view. How could people with ANY knowledge of history go in for authoritarian nationalism? It’s incredible.

  10. Gravatar of John S John S
    13. November 2022 at 17:00

    Michael Sandifer,

    From what I’ve read, the party is focusing on getting ballot access in all 50 states first (the planned deadline is by 2024) before running its own candidates. However, they have already endorsed a couple dozen candidates in the real world (list linked below), and Yang spoke in Nevada to help the passing of its Top 5 (non-partisan primary + ranked-choice voting) reform.

    (Purple indicates the centrist “United Utah Party.”)

    Keep in mind that this is a very young party. Technically, the party is 13 months old (from Oct 2021), but it really only got off the ground this July when it merged with the Renew America and Serve America movements.


    This year, the Forward Party leaders are taking a nationwide tour to meet with supporters and get input before developing a platform beyond voting reform. It’s still a work in progress.

    You might even be able to get them to include NGDPLT, since it really is a party-neutral policy. I bet you could get on Yang’s podcast and discuss it with him (I’m sure you could use 6 degrees of separation to contact him; Tyler could probably arrange it).

  11. Gravatar of Ricardo Ricardo
    13. November 2022 at 18:07

    Again, we see an inversion of reality.

    Sumner calls Walker an “idiot” because his policy proposals are different.

    He calls American citizens “terrorists”, calls Trump supporters “cultists”, claims DeSantis is a killer for not locking down his state, which turned out just fine btw; he calls the republican party racist, and implies that republicans hate “strong women”; he claims the Supreme Courts justices are bigots for permitting states to choose their own abortion laws, then after all of that vitriolic ranting, he claims in this post that the party is filled with people who… “name-call.”

    Do you ever look in the mirror?

    It should be clear that YOU are the one name-calling, and everyone else is defending themselves from your verbal assaults by giving you a taste of your own medicine.

  12. Gravatar of msgkings msgkings
    13. November 2022 at 18:24

    @John S: I’m rooting hard for the Forward Party but our system is just so duopolistic…but maybe if they stick with it for long enough.

  13. Gravatar of ChrisinVa ChrisinVa
    13. November 2022 at 18:28

    The more life experience I’ve gained, the more painfully obvious it has become to me that elections are merely popularity contests. The majority of voters do not vote on the issues, but rather on who they think has the best personality. So is it any wonder that we end up with a bunch of elected officials who are weak on issues, but strong on personality? This goes for all portions of the political spectrum.

  14. Gravatar of George George
    14. November 2022 at 06:00

    “The exclusion of Trump and the inclusion of Cheney is an obvious nod toward that fact that the Libertarian Party is more upset at a brave woman who sacrificed her career to expose Trump’s treason, then they are by the fact that Trump tried to overturn a democratic election and make himself dictator.”

    No it isn’t, the Libertarian Party just knows the truth that Trump didn’t ‘commit treason’ and didn’t ‘try to overturn a democratic election’.

    Those are both false narratives pushed by the Democrat Party and their propaganda arm MSM, to cover up the actual truth that it is Democrats like Clinton who committed treason and tried to overturn the 2016 election.

    Liz Cheney isn’t a ‘brave woman’, she’s a warmongering lying POS RINO. She said Trump refused to ‘order’ National Guard troops on Jan 6. That’s a false narrative because POTUS doesn’t have the constitutional authority to ORDER troop deployment on US soil. What POTUS does have the authority to do, and what Trump in fact did, was to AUTHORIZE deployment, with the actual authority to ‘Order’ residing with the Speaker of the House and the DC mayor. BOTH PELOSI AND BOWSER REFUSED to implement 20,000 National Guard troops that Trump authorized and said he would support.

    The ‘Jan 6 insurrection’ is a false narrative designed by the Democrat Party and their foreign partners to cause as much havoc as possible so as to lend credibility to the false narrative about Trump trying to overturn the election.

    The 2020 election was in fact rigged and stolen. Proof is already open source. Democrats DID IN FACT ‘overturn a democratic election’.

    Site owner is not and never had been a ‘libertarian’. It is an oxymoron for a person to spend their adult life making a career out of advising THE FEDERAL RESERVE on how fast or how slow to hit CTRL-P.

    Libertarians, actual libertarians, do not write what the site owner writes. They write against the existence of central banking, and do not spend their days advising the Fed.

    ***News Flash***: It was just revealed over the weekend that over $100 million of taxpayer funded ‘aid’ to Ukraine was FUNNELED BACK IN THE FORM OF DEMOCRAT PARTY FUNDING/DONATIONS, through FTX.

  15. Gravatar of mbka mbka
    14. November 2022 at 06:54


    I kinda learned my lesson re: American “libertarians” with the Mises institute and the Rothbard / Rockwell / Hoppe crowd. Sounded interesting and iconoclastic enough and at first I fell for their shtick. Then the more I read the more I realized that they were all just a bunch of smug, race-baiting fascists. Not to mention the Montana “Freemen” and other surreal clowns with their simplistic worldviews. Like Chomsky, none of these realize that their very existence is predicated upon the good luck of having been born in 20th Century US with a strong state protecting them so they could in peace pursue their little sandbox plays.

    Strangely, now that I took more to read Twitter (for information on the Ukraine war) the more I see that this infantile crowd is still alive and kicking, unfortunately intertwined with people and subjects I really like to hear and read about, such as human biodiversity (wrongthink apparently) and actual neoliberal thought. And even smart people sometimes lose all sense of proportion when touting their pet theories, I don’t know what it is with early 21st Century public discourse.

    This not to say that things are better elsewhere in the world. Neoliberalism is a forbidden thought pretty much anywhere, if people even understand what is meant by that.

  16. Gravatar of George George
    14. November 2022 at 07:04

    The US $ -> Ukraine -> FTX -> Democrat mid term election funding is even worse than what I mentioned.

    Not only did Biden collude with Ukraine to defraud US taxpayers to fund Democrat candidates for the mid term elections, $ BILLIONS were funneled through FTX, which ‘coincidentally’ recently declared bankruptcy. $ Billions are missing!

    “So many uncritical thinkers, conditioned to think in binary terms.
    We don’t live in a Disney world of heroes/villains. It’s possible to believe Putin is an evil man, whilst also acknowledging the Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations in the world”

    I’ll take things the site owner overlooked for $40 billion Alex.

    What better way to heist $ billions from taxpayers to commit money laundering and illegal campaign financing, than to push ‘Putin is bad’ 24/7 to make ALL aid to Ukraine look like ‘good fighting bad’?

    “As Assange says “The goal is to use [war] to wash money out of tax bases of US and European countries”

    And anti-libertarian pro-Democrat Party pundits CHEER THIS ON.

  17. Gravatar of steve steve
    14. November 2022 at 08:17

    I was a dedicated Republican until 2008 when Palin was put on the ticket, that plus being unhappy about Iraq and how it was handled. Ever since then i have split my ticker on my votes which is what you should do Scott. The Dems are pretty bad but right now the GOP is just awful. Look at your trolls here. They actually represent a lot of mainstream GOP thought. That said, in any given election I think you will still find Dems who are of poor enough quality you shouldn’t vote for them and when you arent sure or know nothing about them the differences arent earth shattering if you are wrong.

    DeSantis actually was wrong on his Covid management if you are counting deaths as your metric. Covid came to Florida late so they started off with an advantage but they caught up. Numbers at link. Some people will claim that is due to Fl having an older population but there are several states that are older like Vermont with much lower death rates. We also see that a very young state like Oklahoma has a very high death rate.

    Also, I hope that ad doesn’t really surprise you. Sounds like it doesnt. For many libertarians liberty is a term of convenience. Remember how many libertarians were willing to support torture? Cant trust the government to spend taxes correctly but totally convinced that the government would know who was guilty so it was OK to torture them and that the government would know how to torture and use the info correctly.


  18. Gravatar of Jon Jon
    14. November 2022 at 10:25


    Crazy tweet. I wonder though that such a tweet reflects the staff more than the principals. That’s still bad. Republicans have a potentially very robust base of minority voters. I expect them to make more gains in Latino and African American communities for maybe the next decade or two. The GenX republicans are still steeped in the small government successes of the 80s and 90s and are much less racist than prior generations. They will be nominees for a while longer.

    At the same time, the intellectual core of the party staff, seems to be hollowing out. That’s no surprise. Starting with the millennials, college students were solidly pro-democratic. To be at university and a Republican was to be fringe. Weird. Cut-off.

    These are now the 20-40 year olds filling the staff roles and the pipeline for future candidates.

    It is not good for Republicans.

  19. Gravatar of Edward Edward
    14. November 2022 at 10:50

    Maybe those people are on that list because they’re all liars.

    Body camera footage shows Paul Pelosi opened the door for officers and a had a pleasant conversation without once running for safety.

    I don’t know about you, but I’d certainly run for my life if a nudist broke into my home.

    And didn’t Orwell write about this?

    As Orwell said, for the establishment to survive, they need a bogeyman. If it’s not conservatives, it’s Putin. If it’s not Putin, it’s Kim Jong-un, Cuba or the ayatollah.

    Most historians agree that the U.S. didn’t need to involve itself in WW1. In WW2, we did what was necessary. But WW2 was the result of government imposition. It was the result of debt, and the constant threats to the rhineland. It wasn’t like Hitler just emerged out of nowhere.

    And when you sanction Russia for thirty years, and always label Russians a threat to civilization, and express hatred and bigotry towards their culture and tradition, then you might reap what you sow because the people in that country feel a need to throw off the shackles of a despot who sanctions them into submission.

    But the Ukraine war has nothing to do with Putin. It has everything to do with Donbas.

    Anyway, getting back to orwell. As you would expect, our morally self rightous elites carpet bomb Iraq, destroy Libya, bomb Somalian tribes into submission: ditto for Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bosnia, Syria, and East Timor, but are somehow worried about Putin?

    There are a few brave souls, like Chomsky and Trump, who have very different politics, but who are willing to point out the truth. And then there are others, like Scott, who want countries to kneel to a global actor, and he wants Bolton and Bush, and Romney and the typical neo-con, neo-lib, status quo to remain unchanged.

    The problem is everyone is tired of paying taxes for these “uniparty crusades.” This time the religion is the socialist state, and “human rights,” which in the old days meant really important things like the “right to life”, the “right to property” because property was an extension of your labor, etc, and all of that made a lot of sense because it was rooted in the state of nature. It was logically deduced.

    Today, those rights include things like “a right to desirable work, and a right to social security,” which only exist in fantasy. They are abstract, subjective, socialist concepts, rooted in nothing of value.

    Is sweeping the street desirable? I presume we should all just quit our work because it’s not “desirable.” What if the country is bankrupt? Do we have to spend 50% of our taxes on “social security” and what does “social security” even mean?

    I really love number 28, which states the following: “Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document.”

    Talk about a vague definition.

    What Brussels really means is that if you don’t follow the neo-liberal mercantilist order, than you will be in violation of their religion.

  20. Gravatar of foosion foosion
    14. November 2022 at 11:05

    In Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle wrote: “For the lesser evil can be seen in comparison with the greater evil as a good, since this lesser evil is preferable to the greater one, and whatever preferable is good”.

  21. Gravatar of ssumner ssumner
    14. November 2022 at 11:30

    mbka, In the 1980s and 1990s, most smart people realized the world needed to move away from statism. That shared agenda has been lost. Now people are all over the map.

    Steve, While the new LP ad doesn’t surprise me it is a recent trend, as even under Gary Johnson’s leadership they were much more rational.

    Yes, DeSantis was very interventionist on Covid, enacting regulations preventing private firms from taking steps to control the pandemic.

    Jon, You said:

    “I expect them to make more gains in Latino and African American communities for maybe the next decade or two.”

    That’s right. Yglesias recently pointed out that the single most anti-semitic group in America is conservative blacks and Hispanics. That’s where the GOP will get new members. The Kyrie Irving faction. Fortunately, that’s still a small minority of non-white voters.

  22. Gravatar of John S John S
    14. November 2022 at 11:54


    Challenging the duopoly will obv be tough, but there is room for optimism. Alaska already has Top 4, i.e. a non-partisan primary (NPP) + ranked choice voting (RCV). Nevada just passed Top 5; it needs to pass again in 2024 to go into effect, but given that it passed by 5%, I estimate there’s at least a 70% chance that it succeeds.

    So that would result in a bloc of 4 Senators and 5 Representatives from states that are significantly insulated from extremist candidates. Particularly in the Senate, that would constitute a strong bulwark against any extremist faction gaining control.

    Missouri also had a Top 4 proposal which just missed getting on the ballot this year (presumably due to a technicality; Better Elections, the group behind the proposal, said it got 300K signatures, well above the 180K needed).

    And in 2020, a Top 4 bill (The Depolarizing Politics Act, or HB 360) was introduced in the Virginia legislature. (According to the VA bill tracking site, it seems to be stuck in committee as of 2020.) VA doesn’t allow direct ballot initiatives, but at least it’s a sign that the idea of NPP + RCV is spreading.

    Washington state has a Top 2 open primary system, and Seattle just approved RCV. So there is a decent chance that voters might get the idea to package them together (and expand Top 2 to Top 4). And Maine already has RCV and open primaries; it’s a short step from there to go from open party primaries to a NPP.

    Bottom line: 26 states allow statewide ballot initiatives, and Foward Party headquarters are rapidly being established in every state (I believe it’s up to 38 states now). If even a few of those states can pass Top 4/5 proposals, that bulwark can grow into a beachhead from which to launch further reforms. So Forward can still have a major impact w/o having to “win” in the sense of taking down half of the duopoly.

  23. Gravatar of John S John S
    14. November 2022 at 12:27


    You wrote that Forward doesn’t have “much of a platform.” But as you’ve noted many times on this blog, America’s #1 domestic problem is that it has turned into a banana republic. So isn’t concentrating its limited firepower on reversing bananafication the most effective use of Forward’s resources?

    According to FiveThirtyEight, “the share of competitive [Congressional] districts — here, defined by the Cook Political Report as having a Partisan Voting Index between D+5 and R+5 — has fallen from about a third of districts to less than one in 10 by 2018.”

    And according to Pew:

    “About four-in-ten (43%) Republicans who have a very unfavorable
    view of the Democratic Party say they always vote in primaries, compared with 27% of those with less negative views. The same is true on the Democratic side; those with deeply negative views are 12 points more likely to say they always participate in the primaries (33% vs. 21%).”

    Together, this means that in a huge number of districts and states, the party primary is the only election that matters. Stated differently, a very high % of Representatives and Senators are purely focused on satisfying the most extreme members of their party while completely ignoring all unaffiliated or opposite party members of their constituencies. Is it any wonder that both parties have moved to the extremes while moderates have disappeared?

    Alaska has already provided good evidence that a NPP + RCV system can effectively ward off extremist attacks. Can you think of a reform that would be more effective and achievable than Top 4/5 to reduce polarization and political dysfunction in the US?

  24. Gravatar of Andrew C Andrew C
    14. November 2022 at 14:21

    One of the annoying features of our two party system is that third parties are so fringe and marginal that they attract fringe and marginal people with crank ideas like “hey let’s agree with Vladimir Putin about everything at all times”

  25. Gravatar of Ricardo Ricardo
    14. November 2022 at 15:45

    Ted Cruz gives the unvarnished truth:

    “Because Masters said he would vote against Mitch McConnell, and so Mitch would rather be leader than have a Republican majority. If there’s a Republican who can win, who’s not gonna support Mitch, the truth of the matter is he’d rather the Democrat win. So he pulled all the money out of Arizona,”

    We’re gonna see horrible Left-wing judges confirmed for the next two years, because of this. We’re gonna see judges taking away our free speech rights, our religious liberty rights, our Second Amendment rights. It is an enormous missed opportunity. And I gotta say, it is hard to describe my feelings as anything other than rage…”

    Bye Bye McConnell. He will be going the way of Cheney in 2026. The gloves are on now.

    And that is the epitome of the establishment. You play by their rules, you get money to campaign. If not, they take it from you and the people who support you. It’s like the fealty system in England.

    I also have a feeling that Pelosi’s days are numbered. I expect her to croak soon, or die in one of her plastic surgery sessions, which are quite excessive, but if she doesn’t die from her 800 units of Botox, or from nudists running through her house, I’m sure the radical left will dispose of her in 2024.

  26. Gravatar of Michael Sandifer Michael Sandifer
    14. November 2022 at 17:30

    “religious liberty rights…”

    So many of these far right-wingers are religious kooks. The kind of mind that invites such thinking also seems subject to other kookie beliefs, being subject to all sorts of crazy, stupid conspiracy theories and beliefs sets that are often even self-contradictory.

    There are intelligent Christians, and even not all fundamentalist Christians are a problem, but too many in the US are.

  27. Gravatar of veritas veritas
    14. November 2022 at 17:48

    I guess the two posts max per poster unless a poster comments on a comment is a rule that is already out the window as it is going unenforced (Michael Sandifer et al), haha.

    Oh well. Here’s some more triggering material for the asleep:

  28. Gravatar of veritas veritas
    14. November 2022 at 17:53

    Oh so THAT’S how Democrats win elections. When you have no local support, you convert tax dollars into Democrat election funding!

    Welcome to the great awakening bitchez.

  29. Gravatar of msgkings msgkings
    14. November 2022 at 21:58

    @veritas: lotta Republican tears these past two elections. Sore losers the lot of ya.

  30. Gravatar of Edward Edward
    15. November 2022 at 00:15

    Dymtro Kozatsky is parading his artwork around NYC, and he’s a Neo-Nazi who has a Swastika tatoo, and who takes pictures of himself with Hitler memorabilia.

    And yet strangely, he’s being hailed as some kind of hero.

    Apparently, the people in Spain are not as brainwashed as some of our citizens. They are still willing to investigate instead of dismiss and discard, because it’s always easier to dismiss and discard than it is to debate.

    This is what they said:

    “Regarding the information revealed about the author of the exhibition at the Ferraté Library, we inform that the artwork has been removed and that the University wasn’t aware of the ideology of the author. The UPC radically rejects Nazism and regrets the situation created.” — Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya (UPC)

    Yet, according to the mainstream narrative, which clearly Scott agrees with, Donbas is just a fictious Russian invention; 2014 never happened; the five billion spent to overthrow an elected official never happened; the shelling never happened; the people are living in a Ukrainian paradise and Putin just attacked them for no reason. All of those Donbas militia groups must be slaves of Putin. Those documentaries showing shellings must be all make believe. Those interviews with Donbas residents must all be staged.

    Perhaps Putin was simply bored of wrestling bears with his shirt off.

    The people in America buying into this propaganda are completely unaware that they’ve been duped. And whenever good people raise the alarm, like the washington journalist who asked for hard evidence to support all these claims, then they are called “russian-shills” or “Trumpistas.” The ad hominem attacks begin to fly, because the people throwing them have been radicalized; they’re under a spell.

    I mean, all we can do is keep speaking out. Eventually, we’ll be banned or sent to the reeducation camps, but we have to try and stop it while we still can because our grandchildren will wonder why we didn’t. They will wonder how America went from respectful discourse to nude ladyboys asking seven year old boys to feel their private parts, and how we went from freedom of speech to lists of speech, and freedom of thought to banning books and burning libraries.

    And all we’ll be able to say is that too many people believed the propaganda. Too many people were under the spell. We tried and we failed and we emigrated at the last moment.

    In the 1980’s, we were being told the truth.

    Today, we are not.

  31. Gravatar of veritas veritas
    15. November 2022 at 05:16


    This ultimately isn’t about Democrats or Republicans, but our way of life. If we don’t have honest elections, we don’t have a country.

    Maybe that’s OK for some of you globalists who believe the ends justifies the means, who only see the world in binary terms where any globalism even if it is a satanic cult, is better than any nationalism even if it is a republic of the people and for the people.

    For myself and the majority of the country (Rasmussen reports 62% today believe cheating impacted the outcome of the 2020 election), we will gladly take the slings and arrows from people like you who are so unbelievably misinformed that personally I don’t take anything you say as an expression of any truth, I only see what it looks like when a person is asleep like I used to be just a few short years ago. That’s how I see you right now. I read what you write, I read what everyone here writes, and you’re asleep. To me you’re like a person talking in their sleep. I know you’re sourcing it, but I don’t take what you say as seriously as you think I should.

    What you blithely declare as ‘sore losers’, is what you see yourself as being called should you imagine to be saying what I am saying, nothing more. You’re only trying to give yourself some modicum of catharsis by projecting that.

    You believe in a world where every tweet and meme must be fact checked, but not ballots. That’s the world of your mind and the minds of the few still asleep.

    By the way, it’s not over by a long shot so your usage of the term ‘loser’ is in truth an adjective for the Democrat Party and RINOs and their foreign partners in crime.

    It’s not a ‘win’ for any country to defraud its taxpayers of billions of dollars for ‘foreign aid’ that isn’t audited, only to be funneled back in the form of funding and donations to one political party’s election that can’t otherwise win. You can go ahead and wake up any time now, don’t worry, all those voices in your head at the thought of that, telling you that you would feel stupid and ashamed, are not really your voices they were sourced from the same evil cabal that is being systematically dismantled as I type this.

    Your children and your children’s children will thank us even if you cannot or refuse to see what’s happening, and that’s all that matters at this point. So go ahead and be a tone deaf sleepwalker.


    All, look at what Trump retruthed late last night Nov 14:
    The text on the left is word for word from a Q drop posted Nov 14, 2017. You can view all Q drops at qaggregator dot news.
    What is the 17th letter of the alphabet?
    The text on the left is word for word from about 10 Q drops. Also look at the letter bottom right.

    REALITY: The Q project is a real world military run psychological operation to undue years of psychological damage that decades of KNOWINGLY FALSE INFORMATION plaguing the narrative has wrought.
    Some of you talk about possible world war 3. I will tell you it’s already happening in the form of information weaponization and has been happening since WW2 ‘ended’. It’s 5th generation warfare taking place right now.

    Election cheating goes back 200 years.
    The Rothschild cult fake money inflation bubble bust steal lie ‘business cycle’ goes back more than 100 years.
    The media had been up until a few years ago dominated by the same criminal network responsible for what Solzenitsyn wrote from first hand knowledge was the worst human slaughter of all time, the Bolshevik invasion of Russia and elsewhere during the 20th century. The fact that the world is mostly ‘forgetful’ of this is proof the global legacy media is in the hands of the perpetrators.

    You’ve been living a lie, msgkings. Many of us are unplugging from the psychological operation designed to weaken and control you. No amount of dialectical lashing out or smears or slanders or attacks is going to alchemically ‘change the world’ back. There is no turning back. You can either accept the truth, or remain a slave to the op mockingbird matrix designed to keep you as what Hillary Clinton was intercepted as saying in 2013 as what should happen to the black population: “Keep them blind, keep them starved, keep them stupid”.

    This weekend we learned billions of taxpayer dollars siphoned to Ukraine, under the cover of ‘aid’, not audited, was recycled through FTX and back to the Democrat Party to fund their mid term elections.

    The Democrat Party doesn’t even have local support to win elections. Ballot box stuffing is only part of it. It’s a global slush fund network rigging elections worldwide.

    Perhaps Professor Sumner is learning some of what is happening, and in a desperate attempt to distance himself from the D’s after years of carrying their water, he writes this blog post. This is after spending years cheering and protecting the Democrats and consistently criticizing and attacking Republicans with consistently Democrat created talking points. What he writes is almost word for word what the Democrat controlled legacy media spews. So-called ‘libertarians’ don’t implement such a different set of standards one for the Democrat Party and another for Republican Party, ESPECIALLY when all three houses are D controlled.

    Sumner, by virtue of where his attacks have landed, and how they exactly matched the Democrat’s party line over and over again, and now the hasty out of nowhere attack on the Libertarian Party because of ONE MEME that OMG DID NOT INCLUDE DEMOCRAT’S NUMBER ONE ‘ENEMY’, is proof Sumner is not only not a libertarian, but is 100% ideologically aligned with the Democrat Party’s logical system.

    Sumner is lying to his readers in plain sight. I don’t believe this contrived dishonest ‘don’t force me to become a Democrat’ garbage for one second. He’s projecting his own desire to be one, wants approval for it in the form of a narrative ‘I had to make a gigantic overhaul in my worldview, I now have to make a gigantic decision to abandon the libertarian party…because of a meme.

    If one meme is used an excuse like this, the claim of being a libertarian was never sincere in the first place.

  32. Gravatar of msgkings msgkings
    15. November 2022 at 13:18


    Well when you put it like that, how could anyone disagree?

  33. Gravatar of veritas veritas
    15. November 2022 at 14:14


    Not sure if you’re trying to speak on behalf of humanity or yourself, I guess for some people it’s easy to conflate the two, but to answer your question: definitely more msm watching, that can make a trusting person believe a lie is a truth and a truth is a lie even if the truth is open source.

    Like this open source truth:

    The tragedy is that Biden, Zelensky, Democrats and RINOs, who are all rah rah never-ending Ukraine ‘aid’ funded by you and I, they’re all laughing behind closed doors at the ‘muh Ukraine’ trolls like Sumner who lapped up the msm narrative like good little sheep.

    Apparently the psyop to trick the gullible into believing that an enemy of a bad man Putin cannot possibly be itself corrupt, is working.

  34. Gravatar of Carl Carl
    15. November 2022 at 15:50

    You know you’re probably right. I bet Zelensky and Putin got together over a bottle of vodka in February and cooked up this whole crazy invasion caper just to fleece hard-working US taxpayers like you and me.

  35. Gravatar of foosion foosion
    16. November 2022 at 08:14


    Overall, the excess death rate for Republicans was 5.4 percentage points (pp), or 76%, higher than the excess death rate for Democrats

  36. Gravatar of Jeff Jeff
    16. November 2022 at 08:37

    “most smart people realized the world needed to move away from statism“

    “How could people with ANY knowledge of history go in for authoritarian nationalism?”

    Libertarians/classical liberals are so enamored with creating a supposedly neutral, universal superstructure that everyone (“smart people”) can agree to that they are often blind to the reality that it is a house built on sand. They try to boil their ideas down to a few first principles that sound good (to them) but which in fact have little of the appeal they seem to imagine. For example, WHY is consent important? WHY should anyone care about something like maximizing satisfied preferences? It’s impossible to give compelling answers to any of these questions without telling a story that is itself wholly contingent and bound up with plenty of history and culture that is not at all universal. Essentially all of the attempts to do so that I have ever read have been laughable, and *in practice* it seems the arguments tend to meander back to some non-responsive claim like “libertarianism still seems better thab these other (usually 20th century) alternatives”. Once people realize this purportedly “neutral” ideology is just another creed for die-hard true believers they tend to drift away.

  37. Gravatar of Klaus Klaus
    16. November 2022 at 09:02

    Harris County, TX.

    Third largest voting bloc in the country.

    Utterly crooked.

    Low IQ morons would call this man a ‘sore loser’, when in truth he’s speaking truth to power.

  38. Gravatar of Klaus Klaus
    16. November 2022 at 09:12

    In summary:
    Ukraine got caught in a missile hoax false flag in an attempt to escalate us into world War 3 and now they are saying it’s Russia’s fault because they wouldn’t have to do false flags that kill Polish people if Russia hadn’t invaded Ukraine.

    This is also one day after FAKE NEWS BLASTED that it was Russia who launched missiles into Poland.

    Still trust the ‘mainstream’ narrative?

  39. Gravatar of steve steve
    16. November 2022 at 11:27

    What the MSM actually said was that on the same day that Russia launched its biggest missile attack yet against civilian targets Poland was hit with a missile. Given the circumstances it was likely an accidental Russian missile but could be a Ukraine anti-missile. They reported NATO and Poland would investigate. That is what happened. So I trust the real version not the made up one.


  40. Gravatar of Klaus Klaus
    16. November 2022 at 13:46

    Steve, “that is what happened”, no that is what you believe happened because that is what the fake news is telling you what happened. You’re believing in a made up story.

    Here was the MSM clearly stating it was Russia:

    Here’s President Zelensky clearly LYING that it was Russia:

    Know what I think Steve? I think Trump’s massive buildup for a ‘big announcement’ on Nov 15, the globalist cult believed, and I will actually admit that I too thought there would be some significant disclosure in the 5th generation warfare, that they TRIED to start WW3 with an ‘accidental’ missile launch, TO CREATE A DISTRACTION away from what they thought Trump was going to disclose.

    When it turned out all Trump really did was announce he is going to run for the 2024 election, the criminal bastards got caught and now they’re scrambling trying to come up with a false narrative that you’re now lapping up, falsely telling yourself that your belief sourced by the liars is the right one.

    How is it possible that NATO, Zelensky, US MSM, were all INSTANTLY prepared with the exact same ‘Russia attacked Poland with a missile!’ narrative UNLESS it was a pre-scripted narrative?


    Wake up already.

  41. Gravatar of steve steve
    19. November 2022 at 07:59

    What I think is that you can selectively choose headlines to “prove” whatever you want. The huge majority of outlets reported it correctly, and as noted this happened at the same time that Russia had its largest launch. It was quickly investigated by NATO and Poland and they quickly determined what kind of missile because its not hard to figure out. Ukraine is not going to launch missiles at Poland when it will only take about 20 minutes fo work to figure out it was one of theirs.


  42. Gravatar of Alex S. Alex S.
    27. November 2022 at 20:55

    Spot on about the LP. I don’t understand how this happened. On the bright side the term ‘liberal’ is back up for grabs.

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